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Books by Karl Von Mueller

It appears that Karl wrote numerous books. He had many aliases. Some included Deek Gladson, Dean Miller, Barry Fell, and even Gladys Deekson. Some of his books included, American BC., Treasure Hunters Manual 6 & 7. Others included Sudden Wealth, The Encyclopedia of Buried Treasure Hunting, Waybills to El Dorado, Owl Hooters Manual 1 & 2.

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This thread is very interesting. I just ordered, "The Treasure Hunters Year Book 1970-1971."

I know that I have read that one of the stairs in the Lue map was suppose to represent Mt. Blanca in the San Luis Mountains. -- This might make some since. Why would KVM live outside Segundo, Colorado? Is it because he believed that the gold was somewhere in the Sangre de Cristos?

http://www.sangres.com/colorado/lasanimas/segundo.htm

I guess I was wondering how these posts are related to Treasure Mountain?

Hello. We are signing up with Treasuremountain.net as a "Research Group" dedicated in obtaining information pertaining to this effort. Our group will be primarily working from our base area of Ft. Garland CO. We have been tasked to research Karl Von Mueller, and his references to this legend. We will be attempting to provide information about him, however, we are focused on any literature or research that he might have had or created about the lost French gold. We will explore some of his writings into the LUE but our main objective is the French legend that is presented in this website.

On 06-12-20 we were able to make the trip to Segundo Colorado. The goal was to get more information from locals that might help our efforts. On a tip from a local in Weston, we ended up in Stonewall. We were able to vet out two locals but one in particular. Our vetting process is crude, but it does include that we only use information from individuals who have lived in an area for longer than 20 years. This information would not be easily accessed by Google searches. We also ask other locals about the character of the individual that we interested in vetting. Basically, we are looking for references. Then we have to use some "Good old fashioned" common sense.

This individual has lived in the Weston - Stonewall area most of his life. We were impressed by several accolades given to us from some local merchants and about his character. We will call him Mr. B. He was also very familiar with the Bar and I Ranch and the road that leads on the backside of the wall to the south. He was very familiar with several items on our research list pertaining to KVM. Mr. B. had originally met him in 1971 while living in the area. We were very surprised at his assessment of KVM and his business dealing with an individual named Mr. McClaron. As Mr. B. went on, "KVM and Mr. McClaron were business partners in a prospecting & publishing business in the Segundo area in the 1970's. As it was reported to us, Mr. McClaron apparently lost a lot of money  in this venture. KVM wasn't popular with the McClaron family because of it. We were not able to get specific details as to what actually happened in the business dealings. Mr. B. made it abundantly clear KVM was known for his "Vivid Imagination." Mr. B.'s interview was the 1st time we had ever heard anything negative about Von Mueller.

When we asked Mr. B. about information he might have on Whiskey Pass or the lost French gold, the tone of the interview changed. He did disclose that he heard that the goal of the mining company from the early 1900's, was to build a tunnel in the area of Whisky Pass. It was clear that information was not going to be readily available concerning lost French gold.

I think that Mr. B. must have known more than he was willing to reveal. It's a tough pill to swallow when I have heard so many good things about KVM over the years. But, I think that finding out more about the McClaron family would highlight any wrong doings. 40-50 years old memories won't pass away so fast. And as for the "Vivid Imagination", there has to be some truth to that! Read his book Treasure of the Valley of Secrets. Basically this one book sums up his imagination. This is a story about 3 700' blimps being built south of Stonewall by an Italian socialist in 1907!. Some huge explosion (No one knows what caused it) occurs and now the ancient Montezuma mine entrance is exposed. In a nutshell, he is reporting stories and letters from locals (at the time) about info that would prove the validity of the book Scarlet Shadow by Walter Hurt. On top of that - then you throw in the LUE!!!!

The trip to Segundo is exactly what I am talking about! More boots on the ground is what this legend takes. Amazing tips like this could really help.

So here I go:

  1. I don't think KVM has anything to do the LFG (Lost French Gold). But, Whisky Pass  Highway 12, and the Spanish Peaks. What is the connection?
  2. Geologically speaking, is there any proof that the Sangre de Cristo mountain range (Whisky Pass area) technically has the geological attributes for a mining company to justify mining commercially?  If Aztecs were REALLY there, is there current proof to substantiate this?
  3. We must carefully consider all information about KVM differently. We automatically assume he was the real deal and a great man. This is a major problem with so many treasure legends and their icons. We make too many assumptions. We should call this process the - Mr. B.sss.  Make it Mr. "Believable" - IF it is.
  4. The vetting process used above is crude. But it certainly is effective. Example, in one more phone call, you could literally blow a hole out of the credibility of KVM no matter how unpopular that might be. If someone from the  McClaron clan could collaborate this claim, then Mr. B. knows his stuff. On my 2017 research trip, I could not find 1 (NOT ONE) single person in Segundo, Aguilar, Trinidad (This includes the newspaper, the college, all books stores) that has EVER heard of KVM. I am not kidding. Surely there are some out there, but how could a great legend die that fast? He clearly isn't famous in this area. In 2020, we catch a break. An individual gives us relative info and has even personally met him! However, he does not hold a candle of credibility to his character. This is important.

Thanks for putting up the link to the Valley of Secrets. I know this is just for research but can anyone find a copy of the book - hard copy? We understand why the file is password protected but we cannot copy certain pages. We assumed this is a copyright issue? No worries at all. I would like a copy of the book. Seriously hard to find a hard copy! Also, we were going to add a few items to the comparison chart. Is this OK?

We copied this from the Platoro post May of 2018. It belongs in this portion of the Forum: It appears that Karl wrote numerous books. He had many aliases. Some included Deek Gladson, Dean Miller, Barry Fell, and even Gladys Deekson. Some of his books included:

American BC, Treasure Hunters Manual 6 & 7, Sudden Wealth, The Encyclopedia of Buried Treasure Hunting, Waybills to El Dorado, Owl Hooters Manual 1 & 2.

Also, after our current trip down the Highway of Legends - we are adding to the above proof of large deposits of gold in the Sangre de Cristos.

Platoro wrote/asked:

2. Geologically speaking, is there any proof that the Sangre de Cristo mountain range (Whisky Pass area) technically has the geological attributes for a mining company to justify mining commercially?  If Aztecs were REALLY there, is there current proof to substantiate this?

The answer: Yes - serious amounts. Here is some descriptions:

PRODUCTION LIMITED TO SMALL TRIAL SHIPMENTS. USBM MIN. YEARBOOK 1940 REPORTED SHIPMENT OF 44 TONS GOLD ORE. IN 1975, EARTH SCIENCES, INC ., OF GOLDEN OPERATED THE O. J. PROPERTY (POSSIBLY AT SITE OF OR NEAR RITO SECO MINE) BY OPEN-PIT METHOD AND PRODUCED 58, 000+ ST ORE FOR EXPERIMENTAL HEAP LEACHING OPERATION. TEST YIELDED 980. 5 OZ GOLD AND 214 OZ SILVER. WILKINSON (1981) REPORTED THAT EARTH SCIENCE ENTERED AGREEMENT WITH E&B EXPLORATION, INC. (VANCOUVER ), TO OPERATE PROPERTY. DRILLING HAD ESTABLISHED RESOURCE/RESERVE OF 1. 5 MILLION TONS ORE IN 2 DEPOSITS AT GRADE OF 0. 03 TO 0. 15 OZ/TON GOLD, AVERAGING 0. 05 OZ/TON. ORE IS TO BE SHIPPED 5. 5 MILES TO HEAP-LEACH SITE.

El Plomo Mining District

Now this is on the west side of the Sangre de Cristos. But look at your maps. It is not that far from Whiskey Pass. It is not that from the New Mexico/Colorado border. KVM would have known about this in the 70s. There are numerous rumors of large gold operations directly to the east back in the later part of the 1800s.

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